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| 28 Oct 2006 08:04:43 |
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| Hi All
First time poster on this site.
BT seem to have stopped fiddling about with the street cabinets and now I believe there are regulatorary issues to be resolved before we get broadband.
Does anyone think or know whether we'll get broadband before the end of 2006 or anytime soon? I read somewhere that Kingswells is the last area of mainland Scotland without broadband.
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johnny
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| 28 Oct 2006 14:32:45 |
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| I had an email from Brian Adams MSP on 7.10.06 saying BT would be issuing a statement following their meetings with Ofcom this month.
So if you write to santa who knows what will come to you on 25 December.
Sorry to sound cynical but its getting to that stage now. |
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blam
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| 28 Oct 2006 16:21:51 |
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| I too received a similair email from Brian Adam.
I now have more faith in Santa delivering anything than I do Mr Adam.
My vote goes elsewhere next time. |
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graeme.coutts
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| 29 Oct 2006 09:52:01 |
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| Hi resident,
I may noy be the best placed to answer your questions....but I will offer my opinions.
1. With only 2 months remaining of 2006 I believe it unlikely that the recent BT trial can be rolled-out commercially before the end of the year. However its not all doom-and-gloom as we know that the technical aspects of the trial have been an enormous success. Similar to many large organistions, BT seem to take a long time to transition a successfully trial to a commercial offering. 2007 looks like to be the year of the broadband as far as Kingswells is concerned.
2. I am not sure what these regulatory issues are that you refer too but I'm guessing that to appease OfCom then BT have to configure the ASDL street cabinet hardware to permit any prospective customer from using the technology with any ISP. During the trial only yhe BT ISP was used by the trialists. I am guessing that the residents of Kingswells, though happy with broadband availability, would not be over-the-moon to be restricted to using only BT as their ISP.
3. Last area of mainland Scotland without broadband? Surely that's a joke. This statement is incorrect in two regards:
a. There are loads of rural communities still lacking boradband availablity. Though money has been allocated from the Scottish Parliament to provide solutions to these communities its going to be many years until we can say that all of Scotland has a solution. Even then there is still going to be many coverage 'gaps' where a solution just simply cannot be implemented.
b. Kingswells has broadband!!! To often I hear the statements about Kingswells with no broadband. Its simply just not true. What we have in Kingswells is a broadband divide - the residents in the South with and the residents to the North without. The residents to the North with their new housing and their super-efficient fibre optic communications are without broadband. Those in the south of the community have homes which are fed with copper lines straight from the exchange are lucky enough to have broadband connection. So we have the developments at Old Kingswells, Fairly, Huxterston, Corse, Kingswoods, Coull, Clova, Callum, Midmar, Migvie all with broadband connections (albeit the odd instance where line quality is deemed to poor). Lacking from broadband we have Wellside, Derbeth, and Concraig which are the developments which are to be served by the new street cabinets. However, even within these developments there are a handful of people who were lucky enough to get access to the copper overlay so to the best of my knowledge there are around 20-30 households in Wellside, around 20 in Derbeth, and around 5 in Concraig that are fortunate enough to have a broadband service.
The folks to the North may have had to wait a long for broadband when it finally arrives but they will have a huge grin on their faces as their broadband connection will scale as fast as the current maximim of 8Mbps. The folks in the South will remain as only 512Kbps with little or no prospect of getting any faster than this due to distance-from-exchange limitations.
Apolgies for the long post but I hope that I have answered your queries.
Graeme Coutts.
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graeme.coutts
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| 29 Oct 2006 10:00:37 |
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hi blam,
I may not agree with Mr. Adams political interests so he would never receive my vote anyhow, but you got to applaude the guy as he was instrumental in convincing BT to conduct the recent ADSL-over-TPON trial here in Kingswells. One of only two locations in the UK where the technology is being tested.
Mr Adam's statement regarding an announcement from BT this month was most correct until BT decide to postpone the briefing until early November.
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resident
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| 29 Oct 2006 10:55:38 |
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| Hi Graeme
Thanks for the detailled reply. It's good to hear the trial was a success and I guess we'll just have to wait for it all to be implemented. At least it's been technically sorted out and now we just have to wait for BT/Ofcom to roll it out.
Bob
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jim_adamson
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| 30 Oct 2006 17:09:43 |
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| Graeme,
Cheers for the update. I was wondering what was happening with the BT cabinets.
An 8Mb connection in 2007 - now your talking :-)
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wellsider
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| 01 Nov 2006 05:53:57 |
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| I think the criticism of Mr Adam is totally unfair - I think we need some sense of perspective here.
To my knowledge nobody has died as a result of not having a broadband connection - frustrating as it is.
The state of the health service and educational standards is of much more concern.
Yet throughout the past year Mr Adam has kept me informed of developments and kept me updated at regular intervals.
Very impressive considering the size of his constituency and the other more pressing issues occupying his time.
A welcome change from the stereotypical politician who promises everything to get elected then delivers very little.
Hes got my vote!!!
As you say Graeme - he cant be held responsible for the actions of BT and without his intervention I dont beleive BT would have implemented the trial in the first place.. |
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kingswells.guest
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| 01 Nov 2006 09:17:00 |
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| Have to concur with wellsider - Brian Adam is our best chance for getting help here - he didnt need to do that. Whats our councillor and MP done ? That said, it is all very frustrating that a meeting between BT and ofcom seems to take 5 months to arrange but i see that as BT's fault - not our MSP.
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johnny
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| 02 Nov 2006 06:19:21 |
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| I agree with the sentiments of the previous posts,I was having continuing correspondence,both snail and email together with telephone conversations with BT retail on the matter and was getting "loop" scripts,
From the moment I emailed Brian Adams he has sent me frequent updates on his communications with BT and Ofcom. Yes of course it is in his and his partys interest
to do so,thats how he will keep his seat at Edinburgh. |
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kingswells.guest
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| 02 Nov 2006 10:11:15 |
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| Just received from OPCOM.
"I am writing to you to follow up our recent correspondence about BT's technical trial for extending broadband in Kingswells. Ofcom has now discussed the situation with BT. Our view is that BT's approach to extending the trials appears to be acceptable from a regulatory point of view taking account of competition considerations and we have advised BT that this is the case. We understand BT is considering how to progress matters and is due to make an announcement about the future of the trials on 8 November."
Looks good news but 'extending the trials' gives some doubt as opposed to 'making live and in operation'. |
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wellsider
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| 02 Nov 2006 10:42:51 |
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| I got the same e-mail and must admit the mention of trials worries me somewhat.
Either the original trial was a success or not.
Perhaps the BT statement on the 8th November might clear this up - I certainly hope so! |
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johnny
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| 08 Nov 2006 13:06:43 |
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| It looks like we are there folks,what a journey,thanks to Kingswells.com for all there help,and to all contributors to the forum. It will be interesting to hear from
all of you as you get connected. |
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kingswells.guest
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| 09 Nov 2006 06:18:32 |
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| anybody heard anything from BT ? |
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hblindell
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| 09 Nov 2006 07:00:28 |
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| I've applied again this morning. Lady said she didn't know about it but the only thing we could do was to apply to see if it happened. I am due for next Thursday. I'll let you know how it goes. |
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graeme.coutts
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| 09 Nov 2006 14:25:04 |
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| I was contacted today by BT. I have also been assigned next Thursday. |
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johnny
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| 09 Nov 2006 14:54:33 |
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| I received an email from Brian Adam in response to my thanks for his help.
I think you are jumping the gun a bit,Openreach have to advise all ISP within 28 days starting next week maybe. Then theres another 28 day period when ISPs take their orders to Openreach .Each order is being processed manually to start with.
I forwarded to email to info@kingswells.com.I dont know whether they can publish. |
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kingswells.guest
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| 06 Dec 2006 07:30:31 |
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| I'm one of the lucky ones in Derbeth Grange who has had broadband for about 2 years now, initially with BT and currently with TalkTalk, I am however limited to 512k and even that's limited to a much slower rate at times.
Question is if there's residents of Derbeth Grange here who are hoping to be connected to the new Openreach system then does anybody think I might be able to get my line changed over so i can get a faster connection or am I just stuck with 512k?
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graeme.coutts
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| 06 Dec 2006 09:57:29 |
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| hi driver 8,
A friendly BT engineer explained to me that the existing 'lucky' ADSL users in North Kingswells would be converted over to the new system when it went live. BT are keen to get people off the copper overlay, which is supposedly only for emergency purposes and not the supply of ADSL.
To the best of my knowledge, I fear that you may have a problem with your ISP i.e. Talk Talk. I presume that you are on one of their Talk/Surf inclusive deals?
I understand that companies like Talk Talk, Sky, Orange etc. who offer these types of inclusive call/internet packages have to install their equipment within a BT exchange. This is refered to as Local Loop unbundling LLU which permits these companies to connect to the consumer copper lines and offer their services.
With the newer OpenReach hardware, this would mean them installing new equipment at the street cabinet level or even their own new street cabinets.
Therefore the only way that you might get onto the new system and the faster rates would be to change your ISP.
I would recommend that you first check with Talk Talk who should be able to confirm what I have said here.
Graeme Coutts.
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wellsider
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| 06 Dec 2006 13:13:47 |
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| Thanks for the clarification Graeme....a lot of people will not be aware of the situation regarding LLU.
So in reality the ISPs you mentioned above are not going to be available for the forseeable future.
As you can see from my post on the other thread there is now a software? problem with BTs manual? order handling so the light at the end of the tunnel is getting dimmer. |
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