kingswells.guest
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| 26 Feb 2007 07:41:53 |
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| Yup - You've got me stumped with that one as well Pando. Pls share your logic ? |
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Saxon
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| 01 Mar 2007 17:03:02 |
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| Well after a couple of relatively quiet weeks the helicopters are back with a vengance. After one had flown between my house and Brimmond Hill tonight from 6.55 to 7.30 I called the airport to register a complaint. I spoke to a nice chap but it didn't do any immediate good as the flying in circles continued on and off till 9.30. In addition to the noise how much fuel do these things waste and how much pollution is caused when flying these holding patterns ?
Rather than spending a fortune extending the runway perhaps the airport should invest in better facilities for the helicopters so they can actually land there instead of being held over Kingswells. |
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kingswells.guest
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| 02 Mar 2007 05:22:35 |
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| Yes, the noise yesterday evening was really bad.
What's the point in flying round in circles like that? Other than irritating everyone below?
Don't mind the planes going overhead - at least once they've passed that's it, but these circling helicopters are chronic. |
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Saxon
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| 16 Mar 2007 11:13:48 |
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| I received the following letter from the Airport ......
'' I refer to the noise complaint which you lodged with airfield operations at 19.21 hours on 1st march 2007 rgarding the continuous noise from helicopters in hold over your residence.
Upon investigation with air traffic control I have been advised that there was only one aircraft on training circuit in the area at the time however it was a particularly busy period with a high number of inbound and outbound movements between 18.30 and 19.30 hours.
The rules of the UK airspace are allocated by the Department of Airspace Policy within the Civil Aviation Authority. It is the responsibility of National Air Traffic Services (NATS), locally based at Aberdeen, to manage this airspace and the immediate vicinity. Helicopter operations in this area are sometimes operating under visual flight rules (VFR) which means that they navigate by ground reference to align to and from the airport. The minimum flying height is 500ft above ground level , however, aircraft are permitted to decend below this when making an approach to or departing from the airport.
Your complaint has been logged on our database which is audited annually by Aberdeen City Council in compliance with our planning consent
Yours etc ''
That makes it all clear then !
The helicopters need to see Kingswells or they will get lost in the dark !
and unless we all complain continuously (and who wants to do that) then the annual audit by the city council will not reveal anything.
Also last night (15/3/07) while crawling home via Newhills i watched a Helicopter leave the airport and head straight for Kingswells, it flew round us and Brimmond hill for 45 minutes, the airport still aren't listening. The airspace above us is merely a resource to be exploited. The only way to deal with it is move house or put up with the occasional disturbance.
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Saxon
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| 21 Mar 2007 12:10:20 |
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| Ref. todays budget, bit disappointed that there was no new tax on Helicopter training flights over Kingswells, I was hoping my e-mail to Gordon Brown would do the trick !
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claire.burt
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| 25 Mar 2007 16:47:32 |
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| I meant to post this before. This is the response the airport gave to Cllr Stephen on the 9 February 2007.
Dear Mr Stephen
Further to our telephone conversation this afternoon, firstly I must
apologise for the lack of response to your letter, I to am concerned that
this has not been seen to date by our department, I will investigate first
thing on Monday morning.
As you need the information on the helicopter noise issue urgently, if I
could deal with that issue in this email, I will answer the other questions
when I locate your letter.
Although, as you stated that you have only been receiving complaints about
the helicopter noise since January, nothing has changed regarding their
routing for training flights since the early 80's, the main explanation is
that because of the increase in offshore activity and the physical lack of
resources the only available timing for the pilots to undertaken their
required training is during the evening, predominantly between 1900hrs and
2100hrs, this would definately have an impact on the quantity of flights.
As far as the training is concerned, pilots are governed by CAA legislation
and within this there is a documented requirement to undertake specific
training activities to ensure that they keep their licence.
To ensure that training is undertaken in safe airspace and kept away from
the operational airfield, it is undertaken to the west of the airport, this
space is not utilised by any other air traffic as it is outwith the
published 'lanes' that are used by both military and commercial traffic.
There is a choice of direction for the Air Traffic Controllors to use with
regards to arriving and departing flight paths, this is dictated by
prevailing wind, aircraft either enter the airspace from the North end of
the airfield or the South end of the airfield. When the southerly
approach runway is in use, this is when the area around Brimmond Hill and
Kingswells will be affected by helicopters holding, they are waiting for
clearance from Air Traffic to be injected into the arriving flight path.
As helicopters travel at a slower pace than fixed wing aircraft, this area
must be relatively close to the injection point, but far enough not to
hinder incoming traffic from the North Sea and on the designated approach.
In the coming weeks, as we recognising that training flights may be an
issue near residential areas, we will make arrangements to meet with the
helicopter operators and Air Traffic Control to discuss the issues and
find out how we can work together to understand what their exact
requirements are, in order to find a balance between supporting the needs
of the Oil and Gas Industry versus our committment to our neighbouring
communities.
Finally, can I re-iterate that there is an open invitation for you to visit
the airport, I understand that as a Councillor your schedule is heavy,
however it may assist with providing a clearer picture of the airport
operation, we can introduce you to our local Air Traffic team which will
give them an opportunity to explain what is required from them with regards
to air safety and regulations. I have copied in Kevin Brown and Darren
Williams, who is the Airfield Manager, to ensure that they are kept
abreast of our communications and as advised I will endeavour to ensure
that the questions that are still outstanding are addressed in a more
timely fashion.
Best regards
Sadie McLeod
Airside Delivery Manager
Aberdeen Airport
Tel: 01224 795899
Mob: 07776 484 098
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andy92
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| 26 Mar 2007 14:01:29 |
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| I cannot believe that some of the Kingswells residents are complaining about helicopters, its very similar to residents in the city centre complaining about pubs and nightclubs!!
What came first, the airport or Kingswells? |
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Saxon
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| 27 Mar 2007 04:20:53 |
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| Andy,
I came to Kingswells 10 years ago.
The Airport closed at 10.30pm and Helicopters never flew in circles for 2-3 hours over my house.
That is why I am complaining.
If you moved here recently and accept the situation - good for you.
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loggs
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| 27 Mar 2007 05:15:14 |
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| Saxon
I agree, i have lived here for 6 years and this has only got worse this year.
I cant remember Kingswells ever been on the flight path or any plan that it would be, so we should not expect overhead traffic. |
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andy92
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| 27 Mar 2007 16:24:30 |
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| Saxon/Logs
Likewise, I have been in Kingswells for 10 years. Yes I appreciate that the noise of helicopters can be a little annoying, but accept that as I stay reasonably close to the busiest heliport in the world, its part of life in kingswells.
You mention that helicopter(s) fly above your house for 2/3 hours. I have never experienced this and do sympathise, however, in your previous posts you mention that the pattern of flying was on and off.
Me thinks there is a bit of "not in my back yard" going on here.
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Saxon
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| 28 Mar 2007 04:14:19 |
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| Andy,
I have no problem with planes taking off, 10 seconds and they are gone, but I do object to the continuous Helicopter noise when they are holding / training over us.
What I don't understand is why, with so much open countryside around us, (not forgetting the North Sea)they have to be held or train over Kingswells.
Now that our Councillor has brought this to the Airports attention perhaps they will do something about it. |
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kingswells.guest
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| 28 Mar 2007 12:40:28 |
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| Andy. The choppers only hovver above the northern tips of kingswells as they wait to get onto the flight path. Not all of Kinswells will notice it. It has worsened since January - at the airports admission if you read the detailed letters. I have light fitting vibrating as they pass by at 30 sec intervals for 2 -3 hours - If you had been experiencing this then perhaps you wouldnt be so quick to criticise your neighbours.
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andy92
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| 28 Mar 2007 13:24:38 |
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| Saxon,
I share your logic with regards to the helicopters using open space, if it affects your quality of life, you are right to do something about it.
Derbeth Grange,
I also stay in the north part of Kingswells,
"I have light fitting vibrating as they pass by at 30 sec intervals for 2 -3 hours" sorry but thats your fault for buying a Stewart Milne house :o))))
If you had been experiencing this then perhaps you wouldnt be so quick to criticise your neighbours" - not criticising, having a discussion.
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Saxon
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| 29 Mar 2007 07:14:23 |
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| Andy,
I know you were only joking ref buying a SMH house but you may have a serious point.
I find the heat insulation is very good but the sound insulation of my SMH house is very poor.
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andy92
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| 29 Mar 2007 12:15:51 |
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| Saxon,
My old neighbours used to both work for SMH and they bought a Wimpey house!!! not a great advert.
Hopefully the situation can be resolved so all are happy, with the warmer weather (hopefully) on the way and open windows, I suspect the situation may get worse before it gets better.
Thanks for the banter and hopefully it may bring others out of hibernation. The Kingswells forum has been very quiet recently. |
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Saxon
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| 30 Mar 2007 10:13:57 |
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| D8,
Yes I knew that.
The helicopters mainly bother me between 6.30 and 9.30pm, when I'm home after a hard day at work and want some peace while having my dinner, then want some peace when we are trying to get young children to sleep.
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Saxon
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| 30 Mar 2007 13:34:23 |
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| To back up my previous post its Friday evening 6.30, I have been home from work for 15 minutes and the first helicopter of the evening is on its sixth circuit. |
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Saxon
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| 31 Mar 2007 13:48:25 |
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| I have just had a very pleasant Saturday afternoon gardening except for Harold the Helicopter who flew round and round and round and round............................
and then round again !
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andy92
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| 31 Mar 2007 15:34:54 |
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| Saxon,
Did you contact the airport? |
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Saxon
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| 02 Apr 2007 05:22:45 |
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| Andy,
No, not this time. I think contacting the airport is a waste of time. (see their last response to me posted above).
I did think of keeping a 'noise diary' for a month and submitting that as a complaint.
Perhaps the only real solution for me is to move house. |
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