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| 08 Oct 2007 19:31:32 |
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| Frank,
Thanks for the suggestion - will do.
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IanC
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| 08 Oct 2007 19:46:36 |
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| One way out of using the Park and Ride would be to find a more suitable site on the outskirts of Aberdeen that is close to a bus route.
Any suggestions?
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pando
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| 08 Oct 2007 23:27:26 |
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| One of the questions here is WHY are we trying to create somewhere for the gt's to goto. There are hundreds of caravan sites around the country where the gt's can pay to stop at and get all the amenities they require. There is also the purpose built GT site already that is under utilised, so why create more
The only issue is they would have to pay for it. It's not like they are poor people in their huge caravans and mercedes cars.
If i wanted to stay somewhere else besides my house i'd have to pay for it
This council needs to stop being so soft and look after the people who voted them in, not alienating then by making bad decisions like this.
The suggested change to the park and ride will be against the 'green' aims of the council.
People won't park their cars at the Pand R and also stop visiting it to recycle extra paper etc |
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Wellside
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| 09 Oct 2007 05:56:18 |
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| Pando, if you go to the home page you'll find all the information you need regarding WHY ACC as to provide sites for travellers. |
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pando
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| 09 Oct 2007 08:53:21 |
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| I have read the reasons and there is no legislation stating we have to provide such places so why waste our money
They are sort of pre-empting the situation about moving the GTs on from illegal spots |
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Allan
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| 17 Nov 2007 15:22:22 |
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| Might as well put my 2 pence worth in on this subject.
Why are we expected to foot the bill for the travellers to live anywhere?
If they choose to live this lifestyle that's fine, but it's not the responsibility of the rest of the community to pay for them to do so.
If they wish to live in a caravan, there are caravan sites all around the countryside. Obviously they would be expected to pay for this and to keep the site clean, which seems to be a problem for them. |
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pando
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| 17 Nov 2007 17:13:08 |
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| Has everybody sent their views to the council and W Stuart .
We need to make our views known
I still await a reply from Wendy, she seems to be computer shy and also on what the community wants as well.
Please send your views to jtomlinson@aberdeencity.gov.uk and WStuart@aberdeencity.gov.uk
The only one i've received a reply from was the Lord Provost |
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concraig
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| 17 Nov 2007 17:38:55 |
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| Am I missing something here but is the park and ride car park owned by ACC or KCC and how many residents of Kingswells can actually see the whole of the car park from where they live.
The answer to the first is ACC own the car park and therefore is controlled by the officials of the ACC,nothing whatever to do with KCC or any Kingswells residents.
the answer to the second is no one living in Kingswells can see the car park from where
they live and the only folk who see the travellers caravans are those who use the facility and not many of those live in Kingswells.
So why dont the members of KCC and residents of Kingswells leave whatever problems exist in the hands of ACC and your elected councillors.
the reason your councillors are not answering your emails is because they are probably dealing with far more important things than a few caravans parked in a wide
open space unseen by local residents unless they choose to be nosy.
There now pick the bones out of that,I cant wait! |
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Allan
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| 18 Nov 2007 05:43:26 |
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| I really don't care where they live as long as we, being the taxpayers, don't have to foot the bill for them to do so. |
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pando
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| 18 Nov 2007 13:15:16 |
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| Yeah they are busy flicking the brochures to see where to visit on a freebie under the pretence of council business.
I quite often walk through the park and ride and don't want to be pestered by pikey dogs and kids etc.
The council are voted by the public so if they don't want our views then why have votes to decide who goes in the first place
Yes i also am sick of paying loads of taxes to see it wasted on ridiculous ideas like this |
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AdoptedScot
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| 19 Nov 2007 10:43:53 |
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| I should just like to thank KCC for voicing, with strength and passion, the majority view of Kingswells residents who are clearly opposed to the establishment of a gypsy camp in Kingswells, either on old Skene Road or at the Park & Ride. It should be noted that the residents’ position is based upon first-hand knowledge and experience of what the gypsies bring to the community, the many pressures they bring to bear, and what they leave behind.
In my view, no part of the Park & Ride is suitable for the establishment of a gypsy camp, either on a temporary or a permanent basis. Not temporary because there is a tendency, if not a clear risk, that it will become permanent; the council will find other funding priorities once the temporary facility is in operation. In their favour, KCC have not simply objected negatively to the Kingswells Park & Ride option, they have taken the positive step of identifying another more suitable site. KCC recognise the need to provide facilities for the gypsies and have, to their credit, taken a more pragmatic and positive approach. For most, it is a no-brainer. If ACC press on with the Kingswells Park & Ride option, then there is another hidden agenda.
Speaking of funding, it is most curious that ACC can even entertain the possibility of allocating funds to tear up part of the £7M Park & Ride to provide water and toilet facilities for the sole use of the gypsies when ACC openly admit to a massive budget deficit. Surely, the allocation of funds for this purpose would be seen by many, and quite rightly, as a frivolous and inappropriate allocation of Aberdeen tax payers’ money.
Finally, it is disappointing that the local councillor, elected to speak for the majority in her constituency, chooses to ignore the majority views of the Kingswells tax payers in favour of a group who neither elected her into office nor contributes to the financial running of the city. It would be prudent for all ACC councillors to remind themselves of their obligations to their council tax payers and vote on the issue accordingly.
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pando
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| 19 Nov 2007 15:16:33 |
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| Well said Adopted scot !!
I hope you have sent your views to the appropriate people |
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AdoptedScot
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| 20 Nov 2007 09:50:41 |
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| Yes, I have been lobbying the local councillor to represent the majority view of the Kingswells residents on the Park & Ride halting site issue at tommorrow's council meeting. We can only hope that our councillor votes in a manner that fulfils the published ACC Code of Conduct for Elected Members, in particular the following constraint, "....They must be accessible to the people who live in the areas for which they have been elected to serve and represent their interests conscientiously." As the majority of Kingswells residents believe that a halting site at the Park & Ride is not in their best interests, one would expect the councillor to represent that (majority) view and vote accordingly.
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AdoptedScot
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| 26 Nov 2007 12:57:32 |
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| Well, there's good news, bad news, and really bad news.
The good news: thankfully, two of our councillors voted in a way that represented the majority view of Kingswells residents regarding the halting sites and, the council have agreed to extend the consultation period to investigate more potential sites.
The bad news: the Kingswells Park & Ride is still in the frame.
The really bad news: Councillor Stuart elected not to vote. I would have thought that, on a matter affectiing her own ward where a significant volume of objections have been raised, councillor Stuart had a clear and unambiguous duty to cast her vote in support of the majority view. A no vote surely brings into question councillor Stuart's willingness to represent her constituents. Strange that, having stood for election (volunteered) to represent the ward, she has done nothing but defy her constituents on this issue.
I have asked for an explanation for her abstention but have yet to receive a reply. |
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andy92
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| 26 Nov 2007 14:39:19 |
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| Is it worth starting a petition online and then sending it to our councillor, she might take the hint?? |
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pando
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| 26 Nov 2007 19:23:01 |
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| It certainly appears she's not overly keen on returning peoples emails when querying Park and Bide issues |
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