IanC
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| 29 Sep 2007 11:49:13 |
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| [b]USE OF PARK AND RIDE[/b]
The Lower car park at the P&R has been identified as a temporary site for Gypsy Camp.
Is this a better option than the upper carpark?
KCC will attend the Council meeting on Tuesday 2nd October to try to get the P&R site removed, but it would be useful to know which carpark is preferable.
Please add you comments or [url=http://kwells.org/kwells3/node/87]add your views to the poll[/url].
KCC
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georgem
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| 29 Sep 2007 16:38:22 |
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| The Torry battery was rejected on the grounds that it was to close to a settled community , unless my tape measure is wrong I think the P&R is closer. |
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smiler
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| 30 Sep 2007 06:55:23 |
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| i'll be interested to see if any gypsys are still around here in the middle of winter anyway,has any one seen them camped up in the snow before ???? |
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georgem
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| 30 Sep 2007 11:49:26 |
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| Lets not get confused over the terminology, gypsies had an important role to play in the harvesting many years ago, since the last of the farms went mechanised in the 70's what are the " travellers" doing now , if it is cash in hand jobs ,who are the people that is encouraging them ? , If this line of work was to cease then there would be no travellers dumping tar , lokblock ,trees ,branches , or am I being to simplistic! |
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IanC
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| 30 Sep 2007 12:29:16 |
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| George,
That is the plan for next year. Has your resident's association seen the [url=http://kwells.org/kwells3/node/83]Setting up No Cold Calling Zones[/url] leaflet?
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concraig
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| 03 Oct 2007 18:24:39 |
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| I saw a headline report on STV's North Tonight this evening on the Park and Ride debate
the reporter stated that KCC was not available for interview on the subject.
Is that an accurate report? If so why was there no one available? Is it the same reason
why only half of the members of KCC ever attend meetings. |
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Saxon
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| 04 Oct 2007 05:40:48 |
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| I saw the interview to, it was mainly about victimization of the 'travelling community' so I'm not surprised that the Community Council didn't want to enter that debate.
A young 'travelling lady' was interviewed she said that we should respect their lifestyle but later said she just wanted somewhere nice to settle down ! Which at the moment is our car park.
Once the park & ride is an official site and they have to pay to use it perhaps it won't be as desirable.
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MikeDunbar
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| 04 Oct 2007 14:54:26 |
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| Do you know how much voluntary work the members of Kingswells Community Council put in ? Would you care to join them ?
A big thanks to Barrie and all for their valued and continuing efforts on our behalf. |
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smiler
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| 04 Oct 2007 15:00:00 |
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| I'm baffled as to how the kingswells councillor wendy stewart can support the P and R halting site plan then i see she lives in newmachar,enough side i think,it wont the value of her property falling because its next to a glorified gypsy site,thanks very much |
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Saxon
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| 05 Oct 2007 06:05:18 |
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| C-Parker
I think most people would like the site moved somewhere where it wasn't a problem.
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concraig
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| 05 Oct 2007 06:44:35 |
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| Mr Dunbar
Thank you for thanking the members of KCC for all their efforts on our behalf.
Why can these good folks not make more effort to attend the council meetings that they have volunteered to get involved in. If you look closely at KCC meeting minutes you will see that they only just make a quorum each month.
I would like to get involved but am unable to because I know I would not be able to attend meetings.
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IanC
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| 05 Oct 2007 07:05:11 |
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| Mike,
Thanks for your support and understanding of the issues. You are right KCC have actually expended more than 100 hours of family time on this issue. Some have taken time off work and lost money in the process.
As for the interview. KCC was given about 2 hours notice. Unfortuneately we need more than that.
The approach to date is not to "run an aggresive NIMBY campaign", but rather to try to find a solution for both the settled and travelling communities. Any camp in close proximity to Kingswells clearly does not suit the settled community.
Support from Wendy Stuart would have ensured that the Council would have had to look at the whole situation again. They have not evaluated the alternatives identified in the consultation. To be fair to the officials they had an impossible task as they only had a week to evaluate the consultation and prepare their report.
KCC have another chance to present a case on 21 November at full committee. Anyone who wishes to assist would be welcomed. You can contact KCC from the [url=http://www.kwells.org/kwells3/node/26]kwells.org [/url]website.
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MikeDunbar
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| 05 Oct 2007 16:39:33 |
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| May we be honoured in due course to learn of this opinion?
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concraig
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| 06 Oct 2007 10:18:07 |
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| Concraigparker
How dare you bring commonsense into the discussion.
You will learn that any solution to a problem that did not come from KCC or their
indoctrinated supporters will not survive.
I see no reason for not giving space in an under-used piece of ACC property to the travellers,unless of course they have other plans for the site hidden somewhere
in the depths of St Nicholas House. |
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MikeDunbar
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| 06 Oct 2007 12:09:02 |
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| Yeah but if it were that simple I could just go and build myself that log cabin I've always fancied in a clearing in Kingshill Wood. You could just set up your tent on the football pitches at Sheddocksley and you could justify it because they hardly ever get used. Everyone else could do the same. If we adopted that approach we wouldn't need planning or government because we'd be living in anarchy. We would just use your frontier development model. Find a space, build or camp on it.
We don't live in that world any more. We try to live in a civilisation and we all pay a lot of tax for the privilege. One which considers not only this week's expediency but is informed by factors such as short and long term impact on schools, medical facilities, the environment, infrastructure, social conditions, transport, economic development.
The Park & Ride was intended to help wean big numbers out of cars and on to public transport. It's to be hoped that it will succeed. We've been investing substantial public subsidies to encourage it. There is virtually a rare consensus that such an objective lies at the heart of continuing the economic development of the North-East of Scotland. It's enshrined in the objectives of NESTRANS.
What kind of message does it send out if the council on a wild west whim is prepared to undermine these essential long term objectives by reversing policy, turning the Park & Ride into a campsite and forcing people out of public transport and back into cars ? |
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concraig
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| 06 Oct 2007 13:10:14 |
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| Oh this is getting good.
If the P&R car park was filled every day First would not be able to cope with volume of people trying to get on busses.
The P&R has been running for 6 years and as someone has already pointed out the lower
park is hardly used.
I know what we could with the part that is not used,build a sports stadium.oh sorry that one has already been thought of, wondered what happened there,yes KCC did not suggest it so instead we have kids playing football on a piece of grass surround by small
residential streets which get congested with supporters parking.
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MikeDunbar
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| 07 Oct 2007 04:24:49 |
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| Well let's think about these things.
Do you know that Firstbus, a commercial organisation which exists for the purpose of charging people for transport, would not welcome with open arms the fares of the occupants of some 200 cars which could be taken off the road every day by using the lower section of the Park & Ride ?
Do you know of any commercial football stadium in the UK ever built because it was "suggested" by a community council ?
Did you have it in mind that kids would be able to just wander on to a professional football business's pitch and set up a bounce match ? Does that happen now at Pittodrie ?
Note to Admin. We've gone off at a tangent here. Can this be moved to a new thread ? |
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concraig
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| 07 Oct 2007 07:22:05 |
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| Aw yer not losing the argument are you |
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Frank
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| 08 Oct 2007 06:11:29 |
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| Ian
none of the carparks are the true options.
Just ask the travellers:
"where do you want to continue your lifestyle, without affecting others ?".
they will give you an honest reply
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Saxon
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| 08 Oct 2007 06:13:07 |
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| I drive along Hazledene Road on my way to work, the recent travellers camp there left a real mess, when they left they even tipped over the taxpayer provided wheely
bins. In my view a travellers camp will not enhance our area. I have not read an arguement on this thread that has convinced me otherwise.
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