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IanC
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| 12 May 2007 19:17:31 |
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| Aberdeen City Council (ACC) is planning some additional traffic calming along Kingswells Crescent. About time too!!!
Part of this scheme uses a bus stop, and a traffic island positioned in such a way that when the bus stops at the stop the road is blocked to traffic behind the bus.
This is seen by ACC to be a safe design, but the temptation to some drivers is to overtake the bus on the wrong side of the traffic island.
Do you have any views on this topic?
What is the best design for traffic calming on Kingswells Crescent?
Please post your views here and KCC will pass on to ACC
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andy92
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| 13 May 2007 07:47:14 |
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| Has a speed survey been carried out on Kingswells Crescent? The make up of the road keeps speeds down, is it perceived speed or do we have figures that confirm there is an issue.
I would say the traffic island next to a bus stop is a non starter. You have identified the problem with vehicles overtaking and this would only be effective when buses are in that area. Also, the buses often drive at 15/20 mph as they have timings to keep, this would have the adverse effect on drivers, frustration causes accidents.
I would like to some more information on the problem, if there is one before adding more comments. |
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IanC
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| 13 May 2007 16:24:55 |
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| Kingswells residents are of the opinion that some vehicles travel at 50mph through the village. This is not the findings of speed checks.
The road near the traffic island narrows, so it should in theory slow vehicles even though there is no bus at the stop. I will post plans tomorrow.
Ian
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loggs
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| 14 May 2007 03:06:50 |
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| I agree that i don't think the traffic islands are a good idea and will potentially lead to more dangerous overtaking. This can be worse when you are behind a bus that stops far too often as i believe we have too many bus stops anyway.
Making the roads safer is always a good thing, but sometimes some measures have the oppposite effect and increase bad driving habits as people look for shortcuts etc...
On another issue i noticed a few weeks ago that the Police where carrying out 'speed checks' on Kingswood Drive with a hand held radar. Were they just carrying out information checks or actually prosecuting people? The reason i ask is that there was no signs displayed to show speed cameras as i believe the law states that there must be a sign for speed cameras. |
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concraig
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| 15 May 2007 12:27:48 |
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| Traffic calming in Kingswells Crescent is almost impossible due to the very steep hills,if only drivers including the buses,would just drop down a gear and take the foot of the gas you can come down all the hills at under 30mph,I have lived in Concraig for 10 years and have never had any trouble keeping to the speed limit.
Now of course I realise I am living in cloud cuckoo land to expect the drivers of Aberdeen including the "professionals" of First to be aware of a speed limit so I suppose we have to think of a way of slowing them down.
Please try to stop ACC from even thinking about traffic islands at bus stops,surely the police and other emergency services can see the folly of that.Apart from the danger of people overtaking while a bus has stopped,if a bus breaks down at the stop
there would be chaos.
I am trying very hard to think of a way of slowing down the traffic,you could narrow the road at the bridge and instal traffic lights to be activated by a bus approaching,and instead of having islands in the middle of the road put them at the
side thus narrowing the road to single track. Just a few thoughts.
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IanC
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| 15 May 2007 19:21:16 |
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| The plans can be seen here [url]http://kwells.org/kwells5/public_files/consult/KCC%20Map.pdf[/url] |
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andy92
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| 17 May 2007 08:27:21 |
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| Not convinced the above will change anything. Agree with the posting of creating something similar to what is already in place on Rousay Drive? Vehicles get alternate right of way, both slowing down vehicles and giving pedestrians a safe place to cross. |
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fatlad
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| 17 May 2007 11:18:36 |
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| Speeding on Kingswells crescent is not a 'perceived' problem - my observations are that when I drive at 30mph about 70% of drivers either end up on my rear bumper or shoot off into the distance. I can readily say I have never seen a bus driving at 15/20mph, rather the opposite.
Let's be magnaminous and assume that these offenders either don't know the speed limit, or don't know what speed they're doing. In order to help them out I would suggest installing a number of those interactive signs that measure and flash your speed - pretty hard to miss and a gentle enough reminder to everyone to go easy. |
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andy92
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| 17 May 2007 21:30:26 |
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| Fat Lad,
You seem to have swallowed a dictionary!!!!
Agree with the idea of using the signs that make drivers aware of their speed. After a few weeks, there is no real excuse for anyone speeding. The most annoying thing is that apart from the buses, most of the motorists speeding are residents of Kingswells. |
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Ellier
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| 18 May 2007 12:19:23 |
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| I think the flashing signs are a good idea but do you think that these persistent speeders will take any heed of these? I walk my dog along Kingswells Crescent daily and it is the same cars that you see speeding past.
My concern is the speed they come round the corners at - especially where the island is at the end of the old road up to Derbeth Park. Not much fun when you are trying to cross the road with a dog and children in tow! |
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